Fierce Autistic Advocate: Rebuttal: Why the Neurodiversity Movement is Harmful

The Autistic Dark Web is all over. What are they? They are essentially the Anti – Neurodiversity movement. Their stance is wanting people to be accepted is extreme. They have another article out and we will take it apart paragraph by paragraph. As per usual, exact words in the article will be italicized. I will put in my own thoughts after each paragraph. The link to said article will be at the end.

Source: Fierce Autistic Advocate: Rebuttal: Why the Neurodiversity Movement is Harmful



#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: I first heard your poem as an 10 year old autistic girl and it gave me nightmares


Philip Barker: A narcissist trying to defend past narcissistic behaviour. In no way an apology.


Al Manning: I first heard your poem as an 10 year old autistic girl and it gave me nightmares for months, and I still occasionally have.

I feared people would take me away and replace me while I watched, akin to “Get Out” but nearly a decade ahead of it’s time.

I didn’t trust people in positions of power the same as I had previously, I sunk more deeply into depression feeling that not only did other children hat who I am – but secretly my parents and SpEd teachers did, too.


I felt like a burden, a feeling I am still trying to shake. I am still fighting to gain a solid sense of self worth.

This is not an apology, this is a “but”, this is a self appeasement. You hurt me and thousands of other children.

You need to apologize for the effects of your actions, even if you justify the reasoning behind them it doesn’t excuse the results.


Susan Weant Gould: Al Manning THIS! All of this. And I read this just as I was thinking about how my elementary school was. And I’m 61.

(also, I self-diagnosed, just last year — your experience really hit home). I can feel it with my sadness.


#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: Sooo … “I apologise but also here’s why I didn’t do anything wrong”


Erin Ekins: Sooo … “I apologise but also here’s why I didn’t do anything wrong”. :/


Belinda Jones: Someone who doesn’t understand what an apology is – projecting that lack of understanding elsewhere. Classic narcissistic bullshit.


Michelle Mc Au: Belinda Jones agree 1000000 % …


Sandra Hutchinson: Belinda yep! His post screams narcissism.


Wendy Katz Au: BILLY MANN …

This is not an apology. An apology is a simple, “I am sorry I hurt you and tried to vilify part of your identity as a deep pathology.” Not a trite apology followed by paragraphs defending what you and your hideous organization did.

If you honestly think that that “100 Days Kit” reflects growth in Autism Speaks and not rampant ablism, this explains the lousy fake apology.

Parents need to be fired from leading the “Autism Movement” and you are the BEST example I have ever seen! Your son may only speak one word, and I may have many, but if you are what passes for parental understanding of our diverse community, I am still more qualified than you are!

Is this even a real apology or is it bait to try and catch our community looking angry? It is so bad I had to ask! If so, it didn’t work.

A real apology would be to stepdown from an organization you are obviously unqualified to lead.


#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: Weak apology filled with ableist language. If you really want to apologize, eradicate ABA!

Bev Jayne Kenny: Is this a joke? Because I read it as more of a ‘sorry, not sorry’ type thing … Don’t say you get it. You clearly do not.


Jeni Canaday: Weak apology filled with ableist language. If you really want to apologize, eradicate ABA!


Philip Barker: There is a difference now. Us autistics are usually socially isolated but these day we have the internet to join together.

We can now shout down bullshit like this and organizations that only pretend to represent us.


Jenna Skinner: Yep


Sadie Edmondson: Wow. Did anyone actually make it to this end of this rambling, self-pitying bullshit?


Katherine Rush Last: Eventually, after several breaks. ..


Michelle Mc Au: Sadie Edmondson it started off well or so I thought and then the waffling and the self gratification and the BULLSHIT … it’s disgusting.


Liz Christopher: Sadie Edmonson I just skimmed the top andt hen went straight to the comments. I’ve seen just about all I need to see.


#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: This isn’t an apology, and this tells me so much of how little you know about autism and the autistic community ….

Saoirse Tilton: This isn’t an apology, and this tells me so much of how little you know about autism and the autistic community, and that you do’t follow nor know about nonspeaking autistics who are self advocates.


Ella Rehder: That’s an explanation not an apology. Learn something about validation and how to properly apologize to people.


Katherine Rush Last: Not even sure I’d call it an “explanation”, sounds more like an excuse to me.


Aaron Parsons: I have no idea what this diverse board is that he speaks of. No one does.


Tara Shearer: A sincere apology isn’t riddle with excuses, defenses, and additional ableism. Try again.


Bear Valentine: Tara Shearer sorry but who’s Billy Mann?


Theresa Green: Bear Valentine look for the “I AM autism” video by Autism Speaks on Youtube. He made that.


Drew Gehringer: If you’re really sorry, you’d stop supporting an organization that hates us.


Christine Fras: Apologies, real ones, are never complex or layered.

Apologies are admitting harm and what you’ve doe wrong, explaining how you’ll repair that if possible, and thenhow you wil avoid repeating it.

So 4 thumbs way down on this.

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Saoirse Tilton: Image source


Katie Greenhalgh-Higham: Small nitpick, but we’re the ‘autistic’ community, not the ‘autism’ community. There’s a tangible difference.

Also, I don’t think you’re quite grasping the scope of the spectrum if you still believe that people who can have independent thoughts and can communicate (whether verbally, or by typing) are a “minority” of autistics.

There are many more of us than you’d think .

The only reason why diagnostic rates have exploded is because those of us who were overlooked a generation or more ago (because of said independent thoughts and ability to communicate them,) are now being diagnosed as children.

You didn’t hear about kids “like Jasper” when you were growing up, because nearly all of them were quietly institutionalized by their families.

And if everyone *really* thinks about it, just about everyone can remember kids “like Felix” growing up.

Autistic have always been there. They just called them something different.


Graham Hanks Au: Katie Greenhalgh-Higham that was my thought too, he describes us as a tiny minority, yet I’d be willing to bet that we are actually eh majority of the autistic population.


Susan Weant Gould: Katie Greenhalgh-Higham amen amen AMEN, sister!!!!


Asher Llyr: This. I found out in my 20s that I’m autistic. I was overlooked as a child because I could express myself. I was very obviously autistic, but I was “like Felix.”


#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: This is not an apology, but a great display of your ignorance and arrogance …

Kelly Roark: This is not an apology, but a great display of your ignorance and arrogance of the topic you’re writing about.

You make an epic ton of assumptions in this ‘apology’, but all your assumptions reveal you as a pompous ass!


Halidora Johanna Hafsteinsdottir Âû: It’s obvious that you do not understand how apologies work. Perhaps you could gets some dog no I mean an ABA trainer to train you in apologizing.


Amy Propp: I missed the “I’m sorry” part. I scrolled, but maybe I scanned all those words too fast.

You know what I mean. I can see the needle before I can see the haystack. I love my brain.


Wendy Katz Âû: Layman’s question: “Don’t you actually have to apologize to have an apology accepted??”


Hermann Koch: Wendy Katz Âû This is not even an “mistakes were made.”


#BILLYMANNRECEIPTS | @BILLYMANN: “I Am Autism” had the impact YOU hoped for? Wow. Just. Wow.


Vanessa Crooke: I really hope you aren’t subjecting your children to the abuse of ABA that is pushed by AS.


Letto Abraxas: “I Am Autism” had the impact YOU hoped for?

Wow. Just. Wow.

Your opinion, your apology.

Do not expect we #ActuallyAutistic are OK with it only because you are also Autistic, though.


Halidora Johanna Hafsteinsdottir Âû: Please make sure you fall off your high horse. From our perspective we can only see your butt and it’s not a pretty sight.


Cynthia H: Halidora Johanna Hafsteinsdottir Âû: It must be a really strong horse to carry an ego as big as his. 😐


Nick Seigler: Wow read that whole thing and it clearly is not an apology more of a defense why he was right. I’m sorry but he still doesn’t get it.


Marie Daniels: This is really a pathetic “apology”.

Try advocating for a robust social services system, including healthcare and education, that relives a great deal of the burden parents must feel. But there’s no ‘cure’. And there’s nothing wrong with us.


Delphine Drory: I would like to thank all the advocates and allies on this thread who articulated and verbalized what I am thinking, but am unable to verbalize myself.

My autism is neither severe nor mild … its just autism. I am what is considered “gifted” and did better than my peers in school without studying … ever, and yet: I cannot fully verbalize my feelings.

I spoke earlier than everyone else and made complete sentence when other babies were jsut starting with words, and yet: I barely spoke as a child, I barely spoke as a teenager, I barely spoke as an adult.

Now at 38 years old, I only speak to my children, and speaking to anyone else is a memorable event in any given week.

Oh yes, I’m totally unable to function independently and yet : I functioned enough to get three daughters, and to birth home alone (planned) without midwife!

Independence is overrated, n most parts of the world humans live perfectly happy in interdependence.

My children smear … playdoh on walls and ceilings, then we laugh and take pics. And the youngest is 9 …

A 100% autistic household is a house of happy freaks.