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How do Scientologists treat autistic children?

Post by rlsteve » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:22 am

Everyone says that young Jett Travolta is autistic but that the Travoltas are in denial of it and not getting him the treatment that he needs.

Did Hubbard ever write anything about autism?

I have a younger autistic sister, and when I was involved with the cult, nobody ever said, “Oh, there’s no such thing as autism, she doesn’t really have autism, etc.”

I remember meeting one lady in the HGC at ASHO who had an autistic little girl. Both were receiving auditing.

I am also aware that Chaka Khan and her brother-in-law Howard McCrary are Scientologists. Howard has an autistic son, and Chaka Khan is in charge of some charity organization for autistic children.

If the Travoltas are really in denial of Jett having autism, it does seem rather inconsistent with the behavior of other Scientology parents of autistic children that I’ve met.

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Post by PTS » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:37 am

They don’t treat them!!!
THAT is the problem.
Kelly Preston claims that Jett has Kawasaki’s disease.
In 2005 Travolta told me that Jett is autistic.
No amount of auditing or purification rundown can cure autism.
There are treatments for autism that the Travoltas choose to ignore because of scientology.
Have you seen Jett Travolta lately?
He is 15 years old and morbidly obese.
Kawasaki’s disease affects the heart.
So, in either case, the Travoltas are ignoring this poor boy all in the name of Hubbard.

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Post by ‘Alert’ » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:48 pm

Ive recently touched upon the whole ‘autism’ issue versus scientology and happened across a curious blog. I dont know how accurate it is, as it speaks of DAN! (Defeat Autism Now) and how four Scientologist Dr’s are within its ranks.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/ … tology.php

Autism and Scientology?

Category: Alternative medicine • Autism • Quackery
Posted on: November 8, 2006 2:01 PM, by Orac

Is there a connection between Scientology and the mercury militia? Kevin Leitch examines the evidence. As he points out, it’s not as far-fetched as it might seem at first:
Everybody knows that Scientology has an almost rabid outlook on psychiatry and what they deem psychiatric labels. Its so bad that Xenu-lover John Travolta is allegedly hiding the fact of his son’s autism for fear of offending his masters in Scientology.

Scientologists have a natural theoretical affinity with the mercury militia and in particular the DAN! ideology. They are firmly against medication and firmly in favour of ‘detoxification’ when combined with saunas. The belief is that detoxification ‘loosens’ the toxins which are then sweated out in intense saunas. Sounds familiar right?

Just like the moonies, scientology has untold business interests in all-natural and CAM based treatments, particularly detoxification treatments. So, when you combine business interests with religious zeal you get people highly motivated to move in on people they target.

Are there any scientologists targeting autism? Oh yes. Scary but true.

Looking at Kev’s article, although I’m not sure if the linkages described by Kev are just cooincidences due to similar interests in detoxification woo, I do find it rather disturbing just how many Scientologists are involved in selling the dubious mercury-autism connection. I also fear for Kev. Scientology is well known for being exceedingly litigious and bullying when it comes to criticism.

There is also another blog speaking about some unified affiliation with something called the ‘mercury malitia’ and also saying the same thing about DAN!

Ive yet to find the 4 names from DAN! to look further.

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d … y_and.html

Thursday, November 09, 2006
Scientology and Autism

Lately, DrumsNWhistles has been on the Scientology Scam Patrol.

Now Kevin Leitch has drawn connections between the Unification Church (“Moonies”), Scientology, and the “mercury militia” — you know, the “vaccinations cause autism” crowd, as personified by Defeat Autism Now! (DAN!).

Over the last few weeks, I’ve come across some of the most disturbing relationships yet. As the title suggests, there seem to be disturbing links between some mercury militia members and the Unification Church (the moonies) and there are definite links between established scientologists and DAN! as well as other non-DAN! mercury militia resources. Most disturbing of all is the suggestion of a relationship between The Moonies and Scientology with an apparent agenda to encourage the mercury militia and possibly even help finance or otherwise aid the legal fight some parents are undergoing with relation to vaccines and autism.

Also worth a revisit: The Fleecing of the Autism Community

Another couple of interesting links;

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/

Ive yet to get right into the depths of what Ive posted.

Scientology is trying to infiltrate organizations and sieze upon the conundrum of Autism and prey upon distressed Parents through its anti-psychiaty ‘tech’ and the notion that autism isnt a real biological disease.

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Post by TPark » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:08 pm

http://www.upperbridge.org/auti.html

This above tells how Pierre Ethier ClassXII helped his own autistic son
using basic scientology precepts.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

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Post by itsaline » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:23 pm

In Melbourne Org there was a young man who may have been autistic, it was never labelled as such but in hindsight I believe he was.

He was run on hours and hours of objective processes in the academy. “look at that wall” “Thankyou” etc.

This went on for years with little improvement.

He wasn’t ever given any specialised treatment.

I often wonder what became of him.

It was decided that the Objective processes weren’t going to help him because the origin of his pychosis was “evil purposes”.

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Post by clamdigrr » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:04 pm

Yes, it’s pretty well known the KP has attributed Jett’s problems to Kawasaki Syndrome. There’s been some disagreement (increasing recently) over whether JT and KP are in agreement about his condition and treatment. Joey Travolta does head an Autism NFP agency and you can speculate about his brother’s silent involvement in that.

As far as obesity – one theory is that Jett is overweight because he *is* recieving medication to treat it.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10 … alCode=cap

There are also studies that imply that the condition predisposes some children to weight issues.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl … id=1352356

If JT in fact admitted to his son’s condition, then it’s possible he’s looking into treatment outside of Scientology, but there’s really no way to know for sure. It’s more than a shame if he isn’t.

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Post by pitbull » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:59 pm

Terril, they are talking about how Scientology would deal with autistic children, not how it might be “possible” to help autistic children.

What is disturbing and sick is that if, as a Scientologist, you decided to develope new ways to help those the “church” is not currently interested in helping, they might brand you as a squirrel and kick you out on yer butt.

So lets say Travolta, decided to put his considerable weight (and girth) behind a foundation to undertand and help autistic or other developmentally delayed kids. They could look at integrating auditing with all kinds of other new approaches to better understand what might be useful. This is the rational approach. But, as we all know, Scientology is not rational.

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Post by clamdigrr » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:21 pm

Well, Pitbull;

The answer to everything can’t be “It rubs the lotion on it’s skin…and puts into the basket..”

Sorry.

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Post by pitbull » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:38 pm

Please tell me how this is relevant?

Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told.
Catherine Martin: Mister… my family will pay cash. Whatever ransom you’re askin’ for, they pay it.
Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
[to his dog, Precious]
Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: Yes, it will, Precious, won’t it? It will get the hose!
Catherine Martin: Okay… okay… okay. Mister, if you let me go, I won’t – I won’t press charges I promise. See, my mom is a real important woman… I guess you already know that.
Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: Now it places the lotion in the basket.
Catherine Martin: Please! Please I wanna go home! I wanna go home please!
Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: It places the lotion in the basket.
Catherine Martin: I wanna see my mommy! Please I wanna see my…
Jame “Buffalo Bill” Gumb: Put the fucking lotion in the basket!

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Post by mickwenlock » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:57 pm

‘Alert’ wrote:Ive recently touched upon the whole ‘autism’ issue versus scientology and happened across a curious blog. I dont know how accurate it is, as it speaks of DAN! (Defeat Autism Now) and how four Scientologist Dr’s are within its ranks.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/ … tology.php

Autism and Scientology?

Category: Alternative medicine • Autism • Quackery
Posted on: November 8, 2006 2:01 PM, by Orac

Is there a connection between Scientology and the mercury militia? Kevin Leitch examines the evidence. As he points out, it’s not as far-fetched as it might seem at first:
Everybody knows that Scientology has an almost rabid outlook on psychiatry and what they deem psychiatric labels. Its so bad that Xenu-lover John Travolta is allegedly hiding the fact of his son’s autism for fear of offending his masters in Scientology.

Scientologists have a natural theoretical affinity with the mercury militia and in particular the DAN! ideology. They are firmly against medication and firmly in favour of ‘detoxification’ when combined with saunas. The belief is that detoxification ‘loosens’ the toxins which are then sweated out in intense saunas. Sounds familiar right?

Just like the moonies, scientology has untold business interests in all-natural and CAM based treatments, particularly detoxification treatments. So, when you combine business interests with religious zeal you get people highly motivated to move in on people they target.

Are there any scientologists targeting autism? Oh yes. Scary but true.

Looking at Kev’s article, although I’m not sure if the linkages described by Kev are just cooincidences due to similar interests in detoxification woo, I do find it rather disturbing just how many Scientologists are involved in selling the dubious mercury-autism connection. I also fear for Kev. Scientology is well known for being exceedingly litigious and bullying when it comes to criticism.

There is also another blog speaking about some unified affiliation with something called the ‘mercury malitia’ and also saying the same thing about DAN!

Ive yet to find the 4 names from DAN! to look further.

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d … y_and.html

Thursday, November 09, 2006
Scientology and Autism

Lately, DrumsNWhistles has been on the Scientology Scam Patrol.

Now Kevin Leitch has drawn connections between the Unification Church (“Moonies”), Scientology, and the “mercury militia” — you know, the “vaccinations cause autism” crowd, as personified by Defeat Autism Now! (DAN!).

Over the last few weeks, I’ve come across some of the most disturbing relationships yet. As the title suggests, there seem to be disturbing links between some mercury militia members and the Unification Church (the moonies) and there are definite links between established scientologists and DAN! as well as other non-DAN! mercury militia resources. Most disturbing of all is the suggestion of a relationship between The Moonies and Scientology with an apparent agenda to encourage the mercury militia and possibly even help finance or otherwise aid the legal fight some parents are undergoing with relation to vaccines and autism.

Also worth a revisit: The Fleecing of the Autism Community

Another couple of interesting links;

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/

Ive yet to get right into the depths of what Ive posted.

Scientology is trying to infiltrate organizations and sieze upon the conundrum of Autism and prey upon distressed Parents through its anti-psychiaty ‘tech’ and the notion that autism isnt a real biological disease.

Jeez Alert – you have opened up a can of worms here! The anti-vax mercury militia crowd are a strange bunch indeed.

In looking at the title of the thread I find it somewhat difficult to come up with a hard and fast answer.

The diagnosis of “autism” is fraught with difficulty in the first place because no-one is absolutely sure what it is and what causes it. The only thing we truly know is that some sort of condition exists.

This leaves a lot of gaps for the “alternative medicine” quacks to bring in their nostrums. And that includes Scientologists.

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Post by Peter Schilte » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:25 pm

The only thing we truly know is that some sort of condition exists.

All we know is that autism means that the patient experiences and sees the world around him/her in a completely different from the way we do. And that even little changes in the environment of the patient (a book on a shelf in the wrong place, for instance) gives a lot of stress. Also autism comes in many different ways and gradations.

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Post by brownjedi » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:26 pm

They treat them the same way that they treat others that the tech won’t “work” on, they ignore them, blame them, etc.

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Post by PTS » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:14 am

ALL autistic children have their own areas of cognition.
What Hubbard tech teaches is not authentic or exclusive to scientology.
Working with autistic children is a reward all in itself.
The longer someone interacts with with an autistic child, the more insight they will have with that child.
We are talking trust.
When a child trusts you, he/she responds.
If your interests are in another area, ( e.g. scientology studies), how do you have the time to involve your child in your life.

In regard to the article that was presented twice (2x’s) in this thread,
it was not until the parents took the extra time with their son did he respond in a positive way.

Strengths and weaknesses are easily pinpointed.
Work with the strengths and underplay the weakness.
This is nothing new, especially if the child is your own.

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Post by Desert Rain » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:37 am

So lets say Travolta, decided to put his considerable weight (and girth) behind a foundation to understand and help autistic or other developmentally delayed kids. They could look at integrating auditing with all kinds of other new approaches to better understand what might be useful. This is the rational approach. But, as we all know, Scientology is not rational.

Okay Pitbull, lets explore this a little.

I don’t think it would work for autism, but what about using it for in connection with other therapies for other problems such as depression, PTSD, Anxiety disorders etc. Not psychosis or psychotic disorders.

I can’t believe I’m even saying this, because I’ve been in the medical world for 30 years now, but I was wondering because I have read that some people benefit some from auditing.

If I didn’t have to audit past lives (yeah right) or believe in some of the other strange crap Hubbard invented, there might be some value in auditing.

I sort of see it as part confessional, part discovery of things or trauma from your past that you have suppressed.

If it could be used with other conventional therapies, it might work for some people.

But having never picked up the cans, I’m not sure I know what all happens during auditing.

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